Discussion Forum Leica S System S2 SF 58 doesn't work or I don't know to read the manual!
  • #1512
    Andrew

    I didn't use the flash until now on the S2. It doesn't work on TTL, but it works on TTL-HSS, Auto, and Manual.

    The second flash (the small one) doesn't work at all (meaning when the main flash is bounced, or rotated one side or the other). I imagine it's me who's missing something.

    Your piece of advice will be very appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  • #1513
    allegretto

    sadly I quite agree!

    my problem is that the flash seems to have a mind of its own and randomly flashes when it feels like it in what I would call “spasms” of flash.

    would not mind it so much but;

    1) sometimes the flash is recharging when I do want to take an image, and

    2) someone will tell me, “…did you know your flash is going off…” as if i didn't know and wasn't already frustrated.

    and I can read, and have read the manual. No one seems to be of help and I guess no one else has the problem… i guess

  • #1514
    David Farkas

    TTL-HSS is TTL on the S2. It just works at any and all shutter speeds up to 1/4000th. Set the camera to whatever exposure mode (M, P, A, or S) and settings you wish to shoot at, and the flash will adjust accordingly. Works remarkably well for me in both direct and bounce modes.

    Not sure why you are not able to get your secondary small flash to fire unless the flash is not in a bounce position. It is not TTL, but set manually through the flash menu as a small fill for bounce. There is an icon to turn it on in the menu. Here is an excerpt from the manual:

  • #1519
    rgk

    Mr. Farkas' response is brutal. The poor fellow just asked a question and Farkas instantly speared him with the hated manual. This could have been handled better. I'll never ask a question again.

  • #1520
    Josh Lehrer

    RGK, I think I am going to send you a Kindle loaded with ALL the Leica manuals for the holidays.

  • #1521
    Al Tanabe

    Josh, I'll take you up on that Kindle:o !! Now if the HSS mode works at high shutter speeds, could I use the SF58 to trigger external strobes? Or does the HSS mode “strobe” short bursts during the exposure like HMI?

  • #1522
    constable

    Don't flame David. He did thereal hard work in finding therelevant part of the manual ….. Which is not the easiest job in the world.

    I can confirm that it all works just like the book says.

  • #1527
    Andrew

    Everything works fine now that I made the right setting. Thanks David.

    About that Kindle offer, Josh I'm ready to accept one as well, as you implied that it helps in reading/understanding the Leica Manuals! BTW, the flash manual is way better than the S2 manual. Lucky us, the S2 camera is easier to use than its manual.

    Andrew

  • #1528
    David Farkas

    Andrew;1342 wrote: Everything works fine now that I made the right setting. Thanks David.

    About that Kindle offer, Josh I'm ready to accept one as well, as you implied that it helps in reading/understanding the Leica Manuals! BTW, the flash manual is way better than the S2 manual. Lucky us, the S2 camera is easier to use than its manual.

    Andrew

    Glad to hear you got it all sorted out, Andrew.

    As far as the Kindle goes…. Josh is on his own with that one. 😀

  • #2411
    PebblePlace

    Hi David –

    It's been a frustrating day… I've been using flashes on Canon gear for 10 years and feel competent with flashes. After 100 clicks and no joy with TTL and the S2 I was thoroughly stumped.

    Perhaps I missed it, but I've read the S2 manual 2X, the SF-58 (found no mention of the S2 anywhere) and went to the Leica owners area to see if there was a SF-58 supplement. Finally, I googled S2 & SF-58 and found a reply in another forum where you said TTL-HSS is TTL on the S2.

    Finding your post saying TTL won't work was a relief because I thought something was broken or my settings were wrong. So for my reward, (if you know why) can you help me understand why the TTL mode doesn't operate and we need TTL-HSS instead? In Canon land, operating in high speed sync mode reduces the output power.

    Thank you.

  • #2413
    David Farkas

    PebblePlace;2352 wrote: Hi David –

    It's been a frustrating day… I've been using flashes on Canon gear for 10 years and feel competent with flashes. After 100 clicks and no joy with TTL and the S2 I was thoroughly stumped.

    Perhaps I missed it, but I've read the S2 manual 2X, the SF-58 (found no mention of the S2 anywhere) and went to the Leica owners area to see if there was a SF-58 supplement. Finally, I googled S2 & SF-58 and found a reply in another forum where you said TTL-HSS is TTL on the S2.

    Finding your post saying TTL won't work was a relief because I thought something was broken or my settings were wrong. So for my reward, (if you know why) can you help me understand why the TTL mode doesn't operate and we need TTL-HSS instead? In Canon land, operating in high speed sync mode reduces the output power.

    Thank you.

    I wouldn't compare the TTL-HSS to Canon's high speed sync. There is no loss of power on the SF58. The TTL-HSS mode allows the S2 to utilize a pre-flash for digital exposure metering.

    It's really just semantics – TTL mode is only for film and TTL-HSS is for digital (S2 and M9).

    On Canon, their TTL mode for digital is eTTL. On Nikon, it's iTTL. On Leica, it's TTL-HSS.

    You, of course, also get the benefit on the S2 of being able to shoot at any shutter speed up to 1/4000th.

  • #2414
    PebblePlace

    David Farkas;2354 wrote: There is no loss of power on the SF58.

    Thank you David. It was really just the (potential) loss of output power that worried me because on the Canon flashes (i.e. – 580EX), getting a respectable amount of outdoor flash in daylight conditions can be difficult with their high speed sync option, especially if used in conjunction with a Sto-fen omnibouce.

    I should mention, once the flash was put into TTL-HSS mode, it's very simple to use. My only niggle is the rear display on the SF-58 is difficult to see, and the double button taps are a bit counter intuitive.

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