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Leica Store wrote a new post 15 years ago
We’ve been experimenting with alternative lenses on the Leica S2 for the better part of a year now, trying to see which lenses perform best and offer an S2 user some kind of additional functionality or creative possibilities. Some basic lenses, like the Hasselblad 80mm f/2.8 CF, have no real benefit as the Leica 70mm Summarit-S ASPH offers a faster maximum aperture, weather sealing, autofocus and superior image quality in just about every measure. Then, we have specialty lenses. These are the ones that interest me – ones that offer something different. A lens we’ve been wanting to test for some time is the SMC Pentax 105mm f/2.4. The lens is generally well-regarded among Pentax 67 users, especially for shallow depth-of-field portraiture. After getting my hands on one, I figured a test was in order and put it head to head against the outstanding Leica 120mm f/2.5 APO-Macro-Summarit-S.

How does the Pentax 67 105mm f/2.4 stack up against Leica’s 120mm f/2.5 on the S2? Setting aside that the Leica is a macro lens and the Pentax is not, both offer a similar focal length and almost the same maximum aperture (within a 1/10th of a stop). Instead of breaking out the test charts, I decided to give the lenses a head-to-head test on the streets of Old Fort Lauderdale.
Pentax 105 (with P67 to S adapter) and Leica 120 side-by-side
Almost any decent lens can perform well at f/8-f/11, so I was really curious to see how these two fast-aperture short teles would measure up when shot wide-open. I figure if you're going to go with a fast lens, you're going to want to use it to reap low-light advantages and/or use the shallow DOF for creative use.

Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/4000th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 100% crop
Testing
I didn't use a tripod or cable release when shooting these tests. I also didn't move closer to the subject with the 105mm to match the framing of the 120mm. My technique was simple: wander around looking for photos, take a shot, then without moving my feet, change lenses and shoot the same basic picture at the same aperture setting (letting the camera’s meter determine shutter speed) and try to select the same focal point. I used autofocus for the 120 and manual focus for 105. My goal wasn't to shoot under perfect, ideal conditions. Rather, I wanted to see how each would work in an actual shooting scenario. Now, these happened to be pretty easy conditions – good weather, plenty of sunlight, no deadline, no pressure. Just a nice Sunday stroll around Old Fort Lauderdale with non-moving subjects.
On the processing side, all images were converted in Adobe Lightroom 3.4.1 using my standard S2 preset. For each pair of shots, the same white balance, tone curve and sharpness settings were used. The only difference was some minor exposure adjustment to better match the two shots to each other and eliminate minor metering differences.
This first pair of flower shots is just to show the overall feel of the different lenses at close focus. The Pentax was right up against minimum focus distance, while the Leica, of course, still had more room to go being a macro lens. Both were shot from roughly the same distance, and the greater magnification of the 120 is pretty clear. Note the color difference as well. The same white balance was used for both shots, so the difference is in the lens.
Below is another shot just to get a feel for image rendering and focus transitions. The Pentax has a pleasing bokeh, but the greater contrast and sharpness of the Leica makes the foreground snap more.
I ran across what I am assuming is a replica Shelby Cobra parked in a small off-street lot and figured this could be a good opportunity to examine how these two lenses handled chrome, which is notorious for revealing chromatic aberration (CA). As you can see, the Leica performs up to its APO namesake with virtually no CA. The Pentax is obviously not corrected for CA and shows quite a lot, with shifts from red/purple to green. As much as I tried to eliminate the aberration in Lightroom, the CA was never completed eliminated.

Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/3000th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/3000th @ f/2.5, ISO 320 100% crop
In the interior of the car, the chrome-trimmed gauges and steering wheel are typically very prone to CA errors. Check out the 100% crop of the Leica shot for how chrome should look. Unfortunately, on this sequence, I didn't get the exact same shot for direct comparison, but the differences between the lenses are very obvious.

Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/750th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/1500th @ f/2.5, ISO 320 100% crop
Across the street from the car was a wooden gate in open shade. The chain made for a nice, detailed target. Not only is the chain a bit soft in the resulting Pentax image, but in this diffuse lighting the overall contrast of the image is extremely low – whites are muted and darks are washed out.

Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/1500th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/1500th @ f/2.5, ISO 320 100% crop
The color of the images produced by the Pentax 105 are much cooler than those of the Leica 120, losing some of the natural warm tones from some of the subjects and the feeling of afternoon light. You can see this on the following image of the palm tree trunk. On the plus side, the drawing of the lens is pleasing with very smooth bokeh and nice tonal transitions, although hard edges sometimes surround bright out of focus elements.

Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/500th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/500th @ f/2.5, ISO 320 100% crop
This next series of shots show relative performance at infinity. To level the playing field, I shot both at f/8. As an added bonus, you can see how the Leica 120 performed at infinity wide-open verses the Pentax 105 at f/8. It's really impressive. One the things to note is the moire on the building's air vents. The Pentax shows considerable moire while the Leica shows almost none, which can be attributed to the Leica's superior resolving power and color correction, as well as its slightly greater magnification.
Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/500th @ f/8, ISO 320 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/500th @ f/8, ISO 320 100% crop Just for grins: Leica 120mm @ f/2.5- 100% crop
Moving closer for middle distances, this railroad track provided some excellent details as well as showing the difference in color rendering again. These were shot towards the end of the day and the Leica lens accurately shows the warm coloration of the light. Look at the bright wall behind the tracks on the left side of the frame.
Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/2000th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/3000th @ f/2.5, ISO 320 100% crop
In lieu of a brick wall, I went for the brightly colored wooden wall with a purple pipe. If you check out the crops of the pipe from the center of the image, the Pentax at f/5.6 still is not anywhere as sharp as the Leica is wide-open at f/2.5.
Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/2000th @ f/2.4, ISO 320 P105 @ f/2.4 – 100% crop P105 @ f/5.6 – 100% crop

Leica S2 with Leica 120mm 1/1000th @ f/2.5, ISO 320 Leica 120mm @ f/2.5 – 100% crop Leica 120mm @ f/5.6 – 100% crop
The Verdict
Admittedly, this wasn't a fair fight. It’s like comparing a birthday party pony past his prime versus a thoroughbred race horse on the same track. The differences become very obvious very quickly. As such, I think the results were predictable even before I shot a single frame. The Leica 120mm S is just a spectacular piece of optical engineering. No one has ever made an f/2.5 max aperture 120mm macro lens for medium format before, especially one that can resolve 40 lp/m at more than 80% contrast wide-open and performs as well at close range as it does at infinity. This is truly one of the best lenses Leica has ever produced. So, the deck was already stacked in the Leica lens' favor.

Leica S2 with Pentax 105mm 1/4000th @ f/2.4, ISO 160 100% crop – center | 100% crop – edge
The SMC Pentax 105 f/2.4 performed okay. For those wanting a fast portrait-length lens for the S2, it certainly does a decent job. At f/8 it is actually quite sharp. Wide-open, especially when compared to the Leica, the Pentax lens is pretty soft, with noticeably less sharpness and contrast. There is a good deal of CA which is not really correctable in software. Focusing on the S2 is easy and physically, the 105 is compact and light.
One of the nice things about these older alternative lenses is that they are very inexpensive and have already been fully depreciated. If you buy a P67 105 for $500 and use it for six months while saving up for the 120 S, you can probably sell it for the same $500, essentially getting free use for that time and not tying up very much money.
Alternative lenses like the P67 105 serve an important purpose (no, not showing how awesome the S lenses are). Not all S users will want or be able to justify having all the S lenses. A three lens kit like a 35, 70, 180 could be very well served by adding the P67 105 for the creative options it could add, and for the cost, it might be worth a try.
I created a new discussion thread on the forum for comments and feedback: Testing the Pentax 105mm f/2.4 vs. the Leica 120mm f/2.5 APO -
Al Tanabe replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Agreed, the Lens Align is useful when you can make adjustments as with the M cameras but not useful at the price, with the S2. Also, the amount of correction +/- will vary by the distance from the subject as well.
Best to spend the money on Rogaine as you pulling your hair out in frustration. 🙂
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David Farkas replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Atanabe;513 wrote: With no ability to adjust the focus point on the S2 would this expense be fruitless? With Canon and Nikon the user can adjust the focus so the tool is useful. On the S2 if the lens is back/front focusing you have to send camera and lens in? So just a flat high contrast target would be the logical choice.
The benefit of…[Read more]
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
With no ability to adjust the focus point on the S2 would this expense be fruitless? With Canon and Nikon the user can adjust the focus so the tool is useful. On the S2 if the lens is back/front focusing you have to send camera and lens in? So just a flat high contrast target would be the logical choice.
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Mark Gowin replied to the topic Suggestions for feature additions in future S2 firmware updates in the forum S2 15 years ago
I was out shooting today and came across an instance where I needed to focus bracket shots to get the depth of field I wanted. That is when it occurred to me that a great firmware improvement would be have an auto focus bracketing feature. The way I envision it working is that you set-up the camera and autofocus on the main point of interest. Then…[Read more]
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David Farkas replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Mark Gowin;505 wrote: I have seriously considered getting the Lens Align. It looks like a well designed product and should be easy to use.
Mark,
When the Lens Align first came out, I wrote a review for Digital Photo Pro Magazine. Here's the online version:
My primary focus (no pun intended) of the…[Read more]
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic M9 Warranties in the forum M9 15 years ago
Just got my official warranty papers from Solms and it states:
“The extension of warranty belongs to the camera and will be transferred to the buyer in case of sale”So this means my warranty will expire in 10/2012, one year after the initial warranty expiration. I wonder if you can keep renewing?
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic Offical statement from Leica regarding SD card compaitibility with the M9 in the forum M9 15 years ago
I got a bunch of cigar boxes for “archives” I guess. If you get enough of them you can have a poker game, “I'll see your 4 gig and raise you 16 . . .”:cool:
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David Farkas replied to the topic Offical statement from Leica regarding SD card compaitibility with the M9 in the forum M9 15 years ago
Atanabe;507 wrote: No, they read David's post on use once – then discard.
Must be…. 🙂
Although I prefer the term “archive” to “discard”
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic Offical statement from Leica regarding SD card compaitibility with the M9 in the forum M9 15 years ago
No, they read David's post on use once – then discard.
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Mark Gowin replied to the topic M9 and 24 Lux at Delray Beach in the forum Images to Share 15 years ago
I would like to know what she is looking at so intently.
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Mark Gowin replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Doug;504 wrote: How about LensAlign? Nicely made product just for this purpose…
http://www.whibalhost.com/lensalign/I have seriously considered getting the Lens Align. It looks like a well designed product and should be easy to use.
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Doug replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
How about LensAlign? Nicely made product just for this purpose…
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jrv replied to the topic New SD card strategy – single use in the forum Memory and Storage 15 years ago
David Farkas;472 wrote:
When I run out of space, I just open up a new card, test it and go. The used cards get transferred to the computer, and then they get piled in a neat little stack. Seriously. Extra backup.What is the problem you're addressing? This seems like a strategy to _maximize_ the likelihood of finding an SD card that…[Read more]
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jrv replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
In that picture I think the focal point was just to the right of the “8”, at about the 18 1/4 point, maybe slightly (1/32) to the right of that.
For future cameras that's something for Leica's suggestion box: provide more information at the time of shooting as to where the focus point is.
More information recorded for later inspection…[Read more]
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Stuart Richardson replied to the topic Offical statement from Leica regarding SD card compaitibility with the M9 in the forum M9 15 years ago
It sounds like they are mostly saying, “if it ain't broke, don't fix it!”. Sound advice…
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David K replied to the topic Offical statement from Leica regarding SD card compaitibility with the M9 in the forum M9 15 years ago
Interesting that they recommend not reformatting cards, either in camera or computer. I typically reformat in camera on a regular basis.
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Mark Gowin replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Thank you for the replies. I suspected that my test was flawed and should be reperformed. I will try again with a flat target. Also, I have an idea for constructing a 3D target which would be shot head-on that I might try as well.
For what it is worth, the test subject target above was my second attempt at a focus test. The first test was…[Read more]
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ka7197 replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Mark Gowin;495 wrote: What do you think? Is this a flawed test or is there back focus?
It's a flawed test. There might be some back focus but you cannot be sure.
The flaw is the target being slanted. The AF sensor has some physical size so there simply is no well-defined distance to focus at when the target is not parallel to the…[Read more]
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic 180mm Focus Test in the forum S Lenses 15 years ago
Mark,
Looks like the auto focus picked the 8 as the area with the most contrast and thus looks like it is back focusing. Does this happen at close distances with a flat target? One way to do this is to get parallel with a flat target, let auto focus choose the focus point and then ever so slightly tweak the focus back and forward, each time…[Read more] - Load More









The Pentax IR Focus index is close to F8. This is usually a good indicator of how much CA a lens will have in the visible band. Pentax made a series of “Ultra-Achromatic” in M42 mount lenses that were corrected from UV to IR bands. They do not have CA problems. I'm not sure if these were made for the larger format cameras. Corrected for inflation, they cost as much as the APO Summicron 50/2.
Gabriel,
I'm not so sure I agree. Yes, a good quality print from a 6×7 original should be very nice indeed. But, I've seen prints from the S System at 5 feet across that are just stunning with incredible amounts of detail. It would be an interesting experiment for sure.