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Roger replied to the topic Leica Announces the new Leica S in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Does the new S have a new sensor (of the same size CCD) ? I don t remember it being called a low noise CCD ?
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JonoSlack replied to the topic Are you pleased with the new Leica M specification? in the forum Leica M 13 years, 8 months ago
Hi Roger
I've been using my 180 APO elmarit on an Olympus OMD body with much success. Handling is fine, I'm sure it'll be fantastic on the M with the handgrip. Different from an SLR, but different can be good as well as bad.all the best
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JonoSlack replied to the topic Comprehensive report on new Leica M from Photokina 2012 in the forum Leica M 13 years, 8 months ago
Hi There David
Excellent report – I learned lots from it.
One point is that the official dimensions are making the M 5mm thicker than the M9 – this is creating quite a lot of grumpiness on the net. My impression is that this is mostly due to the thumb grip, might be worth comparing the real width of the baseplate from an M with that from an…[Read more] -
GMB replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Pete & David,
Thanks for the respective posts. I hope to make it Cologne on Sunday. Anyway, I registered for the S booth. Really curious how many of the goodies can be implemented in the new S2 by firmware update.
BTW, I was at a local Leica dealer today who still has an S2 and an S2-P in stock. He was not really amused by the S…[Read more]
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David K replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
I've been following these reports with great interest and can say that I'm very impressed with the direction that Leica is taking…both on the S and M lines. As a Leica shooter it's gratifying to see that Leica has listened and responded to the needs/wishes of its existing user base. I can't think of a single change they have made that leaves…[Read more]
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Pete Walentin replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Thanks for the feedback. I hope David will come back with much more infos later today.
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Leica Store wrote a new post, Photokina 2012: Day 1 – The Leica M 13 years, 8 months ago
Last night I read every piece of available information in the press kit I was handed on my way out of the Das Wesentliche event, on the Leica website and in dealer releases to get a better handle on the new products before seeing them today at the show. I figured I had a pretty thorough understanding of the new products from a technical perspective, but you never really know a camera until you get your hands on it. How will it feel? Will it perform up to expectations? Well, I got most of those answers today at the Leica booth.
Truth be told, last night was a very late one, with me seeing the sunrise out my window before I could even think of getting into bed for a few hours. So, getting to the show late, I reasoned that it only made sense to look at one product and really understand it, instead of flitting from product to product or booth to booth. I decided with all the interest, I’d focus on the new Leica M.
Coming in the South Entrance to the Koelnmesse, I headed straight to Hall 1 for the Leica stand. Hall 1 isn’t in the flow of traffic like Leica’s regular spot of the past in 2.1. In fact, you have to walk through Halls 3 and 2 to get to Hall 1 and there is no other hall connected. In other words, you wouldn’t end up there by accident – you’d have to mean to go see Leica, not just happen upon it meandering through exhibits. Did this keep visitors down? Not from what I saw. The Leica booth was hopping with activity, but avoided feeling crowded due to the sheer scale of it. Different demo tables were set up around the room with letter designations for the different systems.
I went right for the M table and was happy to see Wanja Szypura free to help me. He and I were talking last night at the event at some length about the new products. Wanja works with the digital imaging processing of the new M and S cameras in the R&D division under Dr. Volker Zimmer. He understands sensors, demosaicing, noise suppression, dynamic range, bit precision, and is the Leica point person working with Adobe. In other words, he’s my type of guy. I love to know what is going on under the hood, not just what the specs say.
He then introduced me to his colleague, Henning Rafflenbeul, who is the project manager responsible for the development of new M. I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: coming up to a demo counter at Photokina, you never know who will be showing you the latest viewfinder accessory or lens cap. This person might just be the one who designed your favorite lens or developed the AF system in the X2.
So, we got right down to it.
I picked up the M. It felt great. Good heft. Nice leatherette. The thumb rest felt nice, maybe not as perfect as the Thumbs Up on my M9, but certainly better than a stock M9. The new d-pad, now in metal, had just the right amount of clickability. The added thumbwheel, also metal, felt smooth but still had good click stops. I started examining the new buttons. On the front of the camera is the focus peaking activation button, within perfect reach of your middle finger. It’s slightly concave and easy to find and press. I immediately felt comfortable with its placement. The top “M” button next to the shutter release was also easy to get to, and reminds me of the placement of the movie button on the D-Lux 5. When I asked if M stood for movie or motion, my Leica friends replied simply, “No. It’s just M for M, “ and smiled.
The M is available in black and silver finish. Personally, while I have tended to prefer silver M cameras when available, I think I’m leaning towards the black.
On the backside, the buttons have been rearranged from the M9. The top button on the left hand side of the 3” LCD is now Live View. The Play button has taken a second spot right below, but for good reason. Once you start playing with live view you’ll see why.

The Info button has been moved to the center of the d-pad and the Menu button has been moved into the left-hand column, right above Set. This makes sense since these are your two areas to manage settings and the Info button is now accessible with your right thumb while shooting. To that end, the D-pad has been raised up. The surrounding dial on the M9’s d-pad has been removed in favor of the thumb dial, which is similar to that found on the S and the X2. I found myself trying to zoom in on an image with the non-existent zoom wheel, but I quickly adjusted to the new handling method of using the thumb wheel.The bottom plate has been redesigned as well. The first thing I noticed was that the tripod mounting hole is not actually on the plate. It’s in the chassis of the camera and there is just a pass-through hole in the plate. This is both a blessing and curse. Say you are out shooting on a tripod and want to change the battery or memory card. You would have to unscrew the camera before being able to remove the base plate. This is the bad news. Quick release plates also become useless for the same reason. The good news is that mounting to a removable plate was never the best solution in the first place as it has far too much flex for really solid mounting. Mounting right to the camera is the most solid possible. Of course, my suggested solution as I was looking at this problem is to use one of the new hand grips.
Coming in two flavors, a standard hand grip and a multifunction grip, they both have a really great feel and add a lot to the camera. Both models have the same shape front grip which is eons better than the M9 hand grip. Nice, tacky textured leatherette/rubber covers the perfect shape. It is slightly angular and fit my hand just right. There is a screw hole on the side of the grip section for a finger loop a la M9 Titan. I never gave too much credence to these oddities, but after trying it on the M, I really like it. In case anyone wants to get me one as a present, I prefer the medium size. Thanks. The loop is rubber, but has a metal band inside for strength. It also comes in small and large.
The Multifunction Handgrip is slightly taller at the base than the Handgrip M to allow for electronics. There are four ports on the backside under two weather-sealed rubber caps. On the left side are a USB port for tethering to a computer and a power input for powering the camera externally. On the right is a PC sycnc socket and a new LEMO-style SCA connector for the TTL flash bracket accessory.
While on the big side and reminiscent of Leica, Hasselblad and Contax accessories from the 80’s, I’m sure wedding photographers will be very happy. The bracket screws into the bottom of the Multifunction Handgrip and allows you to use a TTL flash like the Leica SF 58 in full TTL off camera while also using the hot shoe for an EVF.
For tethering, the M will work with Leica Image Shuttle software and directly into Lightroom. Pretty sweet. I can see that Leica has plans for a wider adoption base than for previous M cameras. Oh, and a very cool trick of the Multifunction Handgrip is that it has a built-in GPS in the handle that automatically embeds GPS information into the file metadata. Awesome for travel and landscape photography as well as photojournalism. There's also a copyright entry menu to embed this data. Even better for PJs.
Coming back to the base plate, there is a sliver of the metal plate that is cut away and filled with plastic. This was done to eliminate signal interference with Wi-Fi SD cards. These guys think of everything it seems. Also changed from the M9 is that the interior is now all metal instead of a plastic lining. The plastic never really bothered me – it was hidden under the plate, after all – but the new design oozes quality through and through.
I also had a look at the battery. Yes, it is different, and bigger. The new battery has almost the same power rating (1800 vs 1860mAh) but features a much higher voltage of 7.4V (vs. 3.6 V). This is due to the need to drive the 3” screen for live view, both in terms of display power and sensor/processing power to capture info. The new battery, combined with more efficient (Maestro ASIC vs. generic DSPs in the M9) electronics allow the M to get around 400-500 shots in LV, which translates to about 5 hours continuous usage, or around 800-1000 shots using the optical finder. My suggestion is to carry an extra battery because you are going to want to use live. Yes, really.After a good once over of the new controls and the grips, I wanted to give the live view focusing a try and see how focus peaking was implemented. Wow. Live view just worked perfectly and the ability to quickly press the focus button on the front to bring up the focus peaking mask made it extremely useful. The focus peaking is very subtle, but very accurate, non-invasive, and ultimately successfully implemented. Areas of highest contrast are highlighted at the edges with a very thin red outline. It’s a bit difficult to describe and if you weren’t looking for it on the LCD, you might miss it. It’s very subtle, which is a good thing. Clearly, Leica understands that photographers don’t want added distractions.
Also, when in the focus peaking mode, you can turn the thumb dial which creates a magnified view on screen, adjustable all the way up to 10x magnification. I think the f/0.95 Noctiliux just got infinitely easier to master for an entire user base. This mode is useful to achieve rapid and very precise focus. To get back to the main view, just tap the shutter button lightly and it snaps back to the full image. The camera is extremely responsive, changing modes and playing back images with just about no delay.
Shooting is also faster. The M has a brand new shutter, made specifically for the camera by Copal. It is quicker in order to facilitate LV shooting. When you press the LV button, the shutter opens. When you depress the shutter to take a photo, the shutter must close, then open again to initiate exposure. While there was a slight delay, it was nothing like the delay experienced on DSLRs that I’ve used in live view. This should be fairly obvious as the M has no mirror that needs to move in addition to the shutter. When shooting continuously, even in LV mode, the frame rate has been increased to 3 fps. With a Maestro image processor and a 1GB buffer inside, the M churns through images even faster than the S2, which makes a lot of sense as the files are 50% smaller.
I also took a peak through the optical viewfinder to find that 1) it was still there and 2) the LED-illuminated frame lines look identical to those in the M9 Titanium. The frame lines are still in three sets: 28/90, 35/135 and 50/75. My guess is that the mechanical cam is still employed to move the traditional frame mask, but the illumination is now all internal. The frame lines change illumination based on ambient light and can be user set to either red or white. The red looks more high-tech, but the white is classic.
Having said all that, I barely used the optical finder in my test. Live view, either on the gorgeous 3” 920,000 pixel LCD screen with Gorilla Glass or through the 1.4 MP EVF 2 is really that good.
Another cool feature was shown to me in the menu. If you turn on Auto Focus Assist, the camera will switch to focus peaking anytime you move the focus ring to refocus without having to press the focus button on the front of the camera. How does this work? Well, those Leica engineers are very clever. They have a sensor on the old rangefinder focus arm to tell when it’s been moved. Cool. And, it worked as advertised, making focus peaking that much more useful without having to fiddle with the camera.
So, the camera worked well with the few M lenses I tried. C’mon, it’s an M camera after all. What about some beefy R lenses? Henning brought out the R Adapter M and a 28-90mm zoom. The adapter is fairly small and features a tripod foot, which the camera will balance on without toppling over. It is also 6-bit coded and the M brings up a corresponding selection of 20 or so R lenses on the LCD.
This is for metadata as well as for correcting any optical vignetting. For what’s it worth, I was told that the corrections are extremely minor and mostly unnecessary. But, if the metadata is embedded, this means that the upcoming R lens profiles in Lightroom will be much easier to apply. And these, with corrections for distortion, will be very useful, indeed.
With the handgrip and EVF attached the camera balanced beautifully with the largish 28-90 mounted. It didn’t feel front-heavy the way I expected it to. In fact, the camera didn’t feel like an M at all. It somehow morphed into a small DSLR with a perfect balance and grip. The 28-90 zoom felt great on the camera. It was just a great focal length range and focus with the magnification and peaking was spot-on. I had to ask if Leica had considered manufacturing this lens again. Of course, this wasn’t something anyone wants to comment on and I highly doubt the prospect. But, if we leave reality for just a moment, I think R zooms would do extremely well in the marketplace, better than they ever did on the R system in later years. If you use the 28-90 on the M, you’ll want one immediately. I propose a petition. Who’s with me?
I switched lenses and put the 100 APO-Macro on. Yes! A real macro lens on the M. I racked that baby out to minimum distance and moved my body until the top dial of my X2 snapped into focus (using peaking, of course). Bam. Easy. I then pulled it up for a portrait of one of the Leica guys. Easy. I was falling more and more in love with the idea of this M being one of the best R cameras ever made. And this is coming from a die-hard R9/DMR user. Many R users have expressed concerns of an EVIL R solution. Rest assured that the M is not a kluge. I have a few choice R lenses in storage that will find a very happy home on the new M.
The entire menu interface of the camera has been redesigned to be more modern and to take advantage of the additional screen real estate. The Info display shows more information at a glance.
The menu, while still a long, scrollable list, is very easy to read and navigate. I discovered that if you go into a menu option but want to back out, you can just press the Menu button to return to where you were. This is a big improvement over the M9. Also, with a unified firmware kernel many features previously only found on the S are now available for M shooters. Clipping definition, long exposure time selection, selectable and manageable user profiles, as well as lossless DNG compression all make their way from the S2 and look awfully familiar to an S user like me. I think this is great, and so do the Leica guys. Unified control structures, shared code and the same processing methods can now be shared across product ranges. This speeds and simplifies development and allows users of both systems to benefit from common advances. Hopefully, a future X camera will join the fold too.
Some features are entirely new to Leica in general, like focus peaking, virtual horizon, and video recording. All work great, even on these early models. I tested out the video, and while I have always shunned video for still images, the idea of capturing Leica-like images in full 1080p with Leica R and M glass is scarily alluring. Clearly, video power users are in search of great optics and options from Canon and Nikon aren’t ideal. This is why Zeiss ZF, ZE and CP2 lenses are in such high demand. Imagine when videographers have the potential to use legendary Leica optics like the Noctilux, 90 APO, 21 Lux, 35 Lux, etc. on the M. I have a feeling we’ll be seeing a lot of video shot at f/0.95 in the near future.

…on a more level surface.The video files are stored as single frame captures and put into either MotionJPG or MOV containers. This allows very clean, frame-by-frame editing with no bleeding between frames. Given the reduction in capture size of 1920×1080, ISO performance is even better for video that it is for stills. Essentially, pixel binning is being employed to scale down the captured image from the sensor. Currently, video capture is limited to 4GB per clip, which translates to around 30 minutes of full HD video. One potential pitfall for American users is that the default video setting is 1080/25p, which is standard in Europe, but not in the States. The second option is for 1080/24p. Just be aware of changing this when you get the camera and shoot video.
For audio capture to go along with the video, there is a mono mic on the top deck, which will be fine for quick captures but not anything serious. For better audio fidelity, Leica will offer a Stereo Mic adapter, which is slid into the hot shoe just like an EVF. The downside is that you can’t use the EVF2, but I suspect most video producers prefer the LCD for composition. The stereo mic can also be unplugged and you can plug in a standard 3.5mm stereo mic jack. This will allow the use of lavaliere, boom and shotgun mics. I was warned, though, that not all microphones will work even if the plug fits. Voltages can vary and only compatible microphones will work. I do wish that a video grip is offered in the future which has stereo mini-XLR and 3.5mm input in addition to external power. This would free up the hot shoe for an EVF and allow more professional audio options.
The one thing I haven’t written about is the image quality. Well, I haven’t been able to evaluate any files from the camera, so this will have to wait for another day. If I went purely from what I saw on the LCD, then I think we are in for a real treat. Leica worked very diligently to produce Leica-like image quality from the Leica-exclusive 24MP CMOS sensor . Leica also designed the processing board and sensor board to exacting specs. There isn’t a single piece of off-the-shelf hardware in the M and the R&D team controls the entire imaging pathway from lens to file. Let’s just say I have faith that the M will more than deliver the goods.
Keep in the mind that what I’ve written so far isn’t even all the information I gleaned from my time with the new M. But, I do think we are approaching the point of information overload and I need to get some rest for Day 2. If you have any questions, please send them my way by way of comment and I’ll do my best to answer.
If you’d like to pre-order the M, please do so at Leica Store Miami. The camera and accessories are available for order online or on the phone at 305-921-4433. Your credit card will not be charged until the camera is shipped to you.
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Mark Gowin replied to the topic 30 mm or 35 mm (or waiting for the 24 mm and the 30-90 zoom) in the forum S Lenses 13 years, 8 months ago
Sadly, the 30-90mm zoom price is about where I expected, but held out hope for a lower price. There are definitely trade-offs in the design of this lens. While I would have preferred a constant aperture, keeping the lens a reasonable size is more important to me. I plan to use the lens primarily for landscape so the slow aperture won't be an…[Read more]
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Pete,
Thanks for the report, great job! -
ciracrowell replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Thanks SO much for your detailed report Pete. Very helpful for this S-Girl!
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ciracrowell replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Thanks SO much for your report Pete. Very helpful for this S-Girl!
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Bob Moore replied to the topic 30 mm or 35 mm (or waiting for the 24 mm and the 30-90 zoom) in the forum S Lenses 13 years, 8 months ago
PebblePlace;3153 wrote:
Hopefully Leica rethinks the pricing.
After using the HC 50-110 I think it comes down to the following:
S2 (New S?) users rarely balk at the price if the product delivers …. and with a slow zoom the question becomes what price for convenience?
Surely not 10K when your prior lenses fill the focal…[Read more]
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rudlinfineart replied to the topic 30 mm or 35 mm (or waiting for the 24 mm and the 30-90 zoom) in the forum S Lenses 13 years, 8 months ago
+2
The price of the zoom is not justifiable considering it is neither fast, nor
even fixed (it is variable). I am disappointed and will also stick to the 35
and 70.The 24 would be equivalent of a 19 on 35mm so it is extremely wide.
I would question whether it would be needed even for landscape– it might
indeed be better to…[Read more] -
rudlinfineart replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Some of the “improvements/upgrades” are clearly firmware that could be
added to our S2s.David– will you ask Leica if they plan on offering these firmware upgrades
preferably free, or perhaps at a small cost?In fact, they could even offer to replace our LCD with the new one for a
reasonable cost and I would venture to say, many…[Read more] -
PebblePlace replied to the topic 30 mm or 35 mm (or waiting for the 24 mm and the 30-90 zoom) in the forum S Lenses 13 years, 8 months ago
Yep, the price killed it for me too. I'll still with the 35 / 70 duo. I was thinking it would $6995 US, and so for $7k I could have a fast prime or a slowish zoom. And that is what really gets me with the 30-90mm – it's a slow aperture. If it had a constant F2.5 or F2.8, then I could sort of understand the price. But it's not…
I also…[Read more]
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GMB replied to the topic 30 mm or 35 mm (or waiting for the 24 mm and the 30-90 zoom) in the forum S Lenses 13 years, 8 months ago
Paratom;3141 wrote: 9000 Euro – wow . . . maybe I can live with just either 30 or 35
That was my thought as well. This is a real bummer.
In principle this lens covers a large portion of my needs, focus length wise. But I still could not give up the 70 and the 35, because I also like / want a fast lens.
Anyway, decisions, decisions.
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Al Tanabe replied to the topic 24 vs 35 angle of view comparison in the forum S Lenses 13 years, 8 months ago
Jack,
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David Farkas replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Jack MacD;3144 wrote: Excellent work Pete,
David, you should hire Pete for your blogs.I think I might just start to outsource. Good job, Pete! Too bad we missed each other today. I was spending some quality time with the new M. S is tomorrow for me.
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Jack MacD replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago
Excellent work Pete,
David, you should hire Pete for your blogs. -
Pete Walentin replied to the topic And here we go. The NEW S2! in the forum Leica S 13 years, 8 months ago

I made it to Photokina today and had the chance to take a closer look at the new S and some of the new lenses.
The Leica booth is pretty nice and spacious. It wasn't that crowded, so there was a good chance to get hands-on every camera you like.

The Leica gallery behind is definitely worth a visit. Some amazing…[Read more]
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